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Does or has anyone here ever owned one of the derringers that shoot 410 shells ? I have also seen tiny 22's that look like revolvers. I guess I should have called this strand " smallest CCW possible."
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I just got rid of a Walther that was a totall piece of #%^ ! It was one of the new ones made by smith for Walther (PPKS). I see no benefit of the 32 when the 380 is essentially the same size. I wouldnt exactly call either of theese real small (heavy). I do remember some small Colts though they are no longer made. Kel tec makes a tiny 32 but it would probably make my junk bin real quick too. I need to find a small 22 for concealed carry in the summer. I do like the older WEalthers as they are real pieces of work but I would not subject one to daily carry, too large for what I am after now anyhow.
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Billy, as much as I love Berreta firearms the model 21 is in my opinion a very poor choice for anyone for a self defense weapon. This is do to cycleing problems from the cartridge rim. Likely a problem in any 22 auto. The beretta is probably the best of the bunch though. Even a 22 revolver is bigger than what I want. I am really after a 22 mag double barrel derringer with 2" barrels.
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Chief, Each model is different but that is somewhat moot as they are all clones or discontinued now. The model you mentioned is not current production. The 60's production german poluice models are indeed nice as well as the Nazi ones if you dont mind the history. As far as the 32 haveing more Power than the 380 we could probably debate that to infinity but haveing owned several of both I dont think you would ever convince me of that based on experience. The older non-USA Walthers were top quality no argument there. I have owned several but their value went up so high I sold all of them and gladly took the money. Again I would seriously hope that anyone who is ever considering a automatic .22 for PD take the time to talk to a competent gunsmith. There is no doubt in my mind they would tell you that they would never put their life behind any thing that is that mechanicly prone to failure. The walther 22 might be fun to play with but is hardly a pd weapon. The .32 is anemic at best in my opinion but it is the smallest choice that is at all realistic in a center fire pistol cartridge which gives the reliability (maybe) of cycleing properly. Again I do not use automatics of this class. Long experience has shone me they are all prone to jamming and failures. In a CW this small a revolver is the only choice reliable enough to make it in my pocket. Not saying it wont work for others but not for me thanx.
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Chief, atctually what I am looking for is a very small .22 either single shot or derringer but no autos. The earlier Walthers are just way too valuable to use as a daily beater and I do not believe in autos smaller than .380. The Smith Chief special (model 29) is a very stout gun and not at all what I would consider concealed carry but that is very subjective. I had one in 357. about 30 oz. very comfortable to shoot, no need to put 38's in that one unless you just want to save $ on ammo. I already have a smith 360PD Ti Hi Vis with laser grips in 38+p. Let me tell ya friend, Its a beast and a half. At 15oz when you light her up with +P's you WILL feel the power.  . Even with mild target loads it is painfull. The weight is nice but I am after something for the summer that is a little easier to conceal. The lady smiths dont offer mutch other than a smaller grip. I might look at smith revolvers in 22 but I doubt they will be much smaller than the 38.
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Now your getting closer. Just add a safety and a serial #. Something thike the smith .22 in a single shot so we can dispense with the cylinder, or like I said A double barrel derringer with 1 7/8" barrels. The american Derringer is too bulky.
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Mark, Pride of spain...indeed. Can you spell J U N K ?? . Thanx for the tip I will take a look right now. That I believe IS EXACTLY what I am looking for. Many Thanx, Dave
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I am not familiar with AMC. Do they have a web site ? Tracer, The colts are VERY nice but getting pricy and hard to find. I am looking and I have a couple of inquiries out on the 22 Mark mentioned.
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I'll have to see if I can find a listing for one of theese on Gunsamerica. Thanx !
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ACz, I like the little berettas as well. They are quality pieces. I just cant think of anything good to say about a .32 other than it should cycle properly Vs a 22 auto. In fact I really cant think of any situation where a .32 would be better than a .380 . Everyone has an opinion but I personally consider the 380 the smallest centerfire auto caliber for self defense. I will take a 22 over a 32 any day. I'd probably rather throw rocks than carry a 25 auto, .
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You might be suprised at what a 22 can bring down. I always avoided hand guns on the boat but I did have a ruger mini 30 SS. I would not have been nearly so kind to the scoundels you mentioned, lest they prey on someone else ill prepared. In my minds eye the debate ends when I am convinced I know the other partys intent, and its a BIG ocean. What the 22 lacks for in other areas it makes up in velocity and trajectory. The real problem I have with center fire cartridges smaller than the .380 is that the bullets drop like a dead fly out of the barrel. If I ever was going to even consider a 32 auto or 22 auto it would be one of the small berretas that have been mentioned. I am personally not comfortable relying on either for a concealed carry weapon, Other than that I like them all.
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I hear ya murf, . I didnt have that porblem on the old sea ray. 12' beam kinda slows things down a bit. The Fountain I test drove was rated at 70 mph with twin 250 outboards, My knads start to shrivel about 65 which was right about where we pushed her. I have hit a rogue wave, no fun at any speed, Even in a 58 footer with a flying bridge I could hear swearing in the cabin from the capt. Then there was the day the boat got hit by lightning. I swear he came out of the top which is at least 15' up with out touching more than two stairs, then there was the water spouts. Twin 1100 hp Detroits do help with a real KICK ! and everyone was thankfull for them that day. Sadly it ended the best day of Blackfin tuna fishing on the humps ever.
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